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    I would hate to be in the position where you have the international community hanging by a thread while tests determine whether you are male or female...

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/8212078.stm

    New world 800m champion Caster Semenya has shrugged off the gender controversy shrouding her victory at the World Championships in Berlin.

    Semenya has been dogged by suspicion about her gender since emerging on the athletics scene three weeks ago.

    As a result, she has been asked by the International Association of Athletics Federations to undergo a gender test.

    When asked to comment by reporters, the 18-year-old replied: "I don't give a damn about it."

    The IAAF first requested the teenager undergo a gender test after she posted a world leading time of 1 minute 56.72 seconds at the African junior championships in Bambous, Maruitius at the end of July.

    IAAF explains Semenya 'gender test' decision

    Due to the speed of her rise from unknown competitor to eventual world champion, a gender test, which takes several weeks to complete, could not be done in time for the world championships...

    The official IAAF policy document on gender verification states that one of the steps required for handling such cases is that "the athlete is referred to the investigating authority in confidence for further investigation and advice".

    The IAAF announced her undertaking of the test prior to her participation in the women's 800m final in Berlin, a decision that has resulted in criticism of the sport's governing body.

    Former Olympic heptathlon gold medallist Denise Lewis described the treatment of Semenya as "absolutely dreadful".

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    It's just been on our news tonight. It certainly has had a lot of coverage.

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    I think they way they have treated this girl is just terrible. Imagine the whole world looking at you and questioning your sexuality/looks. No-one has once talked about her gold medal and how well she ran.
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    I agree Bokkie - *cough* some of us have enough issues without the negatives being highlighted. This poor girl has the whole world watching the outcome of possibly one of the most personal tests that can be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amarula View Post
    I agree Bokkie - *cough* some of us have enough issues without the negatives being highlighted. This poor girl has the whole world watching the outcome of possibly one of the most personal tests that can be done.
    a blood test?
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    lol, I was referring to the male/female thing on a deeper level - even if blood is what determines the outcome. She thinks she is female and has done for a whole lifetime, yet what if her DNA determines that she is male? I don't profess to understand these things, it must have more to do what is *cough again* 'seen' on the surface, but I have no doubt it could screw up the person on the receiving end's life completely.

    Just think, wear a dress one day because you think your body is telling you that you are meant to be wearing it, yet science tells you that a dress is out of the question, because you should be wearing a tie as society dictates (probably a bit far-fetched of course...)

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    Even if she is a Hermaphrodite, it is her choice to live her life as a woman. Yes, she looks butch, so do a lot of the woman on my estate - only they are uglier.

    Yes she has a fantastic six-pack, so do half the female athletes. I mean if you are gonna go on looks, go test those shot putting woman, coz they are not very feminie now are they.

    I have been doing some digging around, apparently she has had numerous tests in South Africa proving her female gender.

    Bad cough you got there - taking anything for it?

    WHATEVER - yeah - gold medal for SA. Well, they need to catch up with Zimbabwe on the gold medal level. Tee hee

    So much for that brilliant SA hurdler (?) is that a word. And where did he come? Did he even make the finals.... what a build up for nada.
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    Not the most reliable of sources I know, but it ahppens to be the first one that I came across ;0)

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...aphrodite.html

    THE controversy over gender row champion runner Caster Semenya deepened today — after reports claimed sex swap tests have shown she is a HERMAPHRODITE.

    South African gold-medallist Semenya, 18, has both male and female organs, it was claimed.

    And sources close to the International Association of Athletics Federations — who ordered extensive tests on the teen after her amazing 800m win at the World Athletics Championships last month — say the results mean she could still be stripped of her medal.

    Testosterone

    Semenya is claimed to have NO womb or ovaries — and has internal testes, the male sexual organs which produce testosterone.

    The row over Semenya's biology has caused huge divisions — with South African politicians calling slurs she is a man "racist and sexist." Her birth certificate has the teen listed as female and urine tests showed that, despite her having higher than average male hormone levels, they are within the official limits for a woman.

    But an IAAF source was today quoted as saying: "There certainly is evidence now that Semenya is a hermaphrodite.

    "But the trouble is the IAAF now have the whole ANC and the whole of South Africa on their backs.

    "Everything is going to have to be done absolutely by the book, no question of a challenge to our findings.

    "There's all sorts of scans you do. This is why it's complicated.

    "In the past you used to do a gynaecological exam, blood test, chromosome test, whatever.

    "That's why the findings were challenged, because it's not quite so simple.

    "So what they do now is they do everything, and then they can say look, not only has she got this, she's got that and the other.

    "The problem for us is to avoid it being an issue now which is very personal: of the organs being a hermaphrodite, of not being a 'real' woman.

    "It's very dramatic."

    IAAF spokesman Nick Davies was not immediately available to comment on the story.

    The organisation confirmed this morning that it had received the test results back and was processing the data.

    Semenya was ordered to take tests straight after her 800 metres gold at the World Championships in Berlin.

    The athlete received a heroine's welcome when she arrived back home in South Africa following the backlash.

    And Semenya's family have slammed the claims, saying: "It is God who made her look that way but she IS a girl."

    The runner was last week given a make-over by YOU magazine — and called the row over her gender "a joke" as she posed in make-up and a dress.

    South Africa's athletics chiefs this evening said they stood by her amid the claims.

    Athletics South Africa president Leonard Chuene said the organisation would advise the teenager to ignore all media speculation until she had been officially informed of the results of the tests.

    He said: "We are ignoring these claims. We cannot comment on them as we know nothing about them.

    "We will wait for the due process to be followed. The authorities have made a statement to say we will be informed about the results and we await that development.

    "We cannot get involved in gossip of this sort. Our people will speak to Caster this evening and ensure that she puts these rumours from her mind.

    "She is at university at the moment. She must concentrate on her studies.

    "We stand fully behind her as our athlete."

    Semenya's family also angrily disputed the claims.

    The athlete's uncle Lesiba Rammabi, 51, said her relatives were 'very humiliated' by the reports.

    He said: "I believe Caster is normal, inside and out.

    "What does it matter whether she can have babies or not? Many people cannot have children, why else do parents adopt? Are those women not women also?

    "We are a normal family who looked at a child when she was born, saw that she was a girl and raised her as any other family would do. Are we now being told that we are wrong?

    "We are very humiliated by what has been said and do not understand how it can be true.

    "This is a woman who was raised a female. She will always be female, no matter what people say."

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    I find the whole story very sad in the way it was handled . Surely there could have been a more sensitive way of handling it . Not only has she to face all the international media sensation, she also has to face the trauma of a very sensitive and confusing diagnosis. At a time of her live that is notorious for confusion , she certainly has had one unprecedent teenage experience .
    The thing I find saddest of all is that is was not picked up when she was very young .

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